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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.21 08:26:00 -
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I am both in, and out, of Arek'Jaalan. It is complicated.
Sufficient to say, the IC research is doing splendid, at least on my part.
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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.27 00:34:00 -
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Aedeal wrote: Whilst you can make up a really cool story, it's not canon unless CCP say so. Try working off what you can find instead of what your brain makes up.
Ah, but you see, that is the wonderful thing about Arek'Jaalen (at least for me) that it actually highlights that the distinction between "player created" and "CCP created" EVE canon is not as great as many appears to believe. You will see much more of this with the Crucible expansion in a few days where, as example, CPF Blue (mentioned in the Naga ship description) is actually a player created "story". Further, take a look on what I wrote on the Takmahl in the Ancient Races portal page. Is that player or CCP made fiction?
Tricky to tell, I would say, as the references appears to back up what I am saying (at least I hope they do). But maybe I am taking pieces of EVE lore written by different CCP employees at different times and putting them together in what might be the most meaningful way, but also a way the CCP employees never have had a round table discussion about and as such is made up by me.
The only important question is: Will other players run along with your ideas or not? "Amarr victor" was not invented by CCP, as you know.
Aedeal wrote:That and it'd *really* help if CCP actually got their ingame lore correct too. Hull sections come from TALOCAN ships, not Sleepers.
I am quite certain that is on purpose.
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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:41:00 -
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I am so excited to learn more about the Fiction Portal; will it make my Lorebook redundant or will it be something else*?
And yes, people should be aware that the whole story of EVE, either future or past, has not been written yet. And while it is Abraxas and Dropbears job to keep the story in line it is impossible for them to cover every inch and corner of New Eden since the closure of the EVE Gate until now. This is where players can ship in with their stuff.
*: You seem to be hinting that it will contain player written, but CCP approved, content as one thing.
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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.01 08:10:00 -
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There were actually an incident before that, Mirima, where minutes old characters (one in a Raven and another in a Crow) attacked Site One only to warp off along the path of the off-line acceleration gate and then self-destruct both ships and pods. Clearly CCP characters but very weird behavior.
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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.01 10:56:00 -
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I know what you are getting at, Aedeal, because I have been there myself. I actually started to dislike the old Sleeper discussions threads because they consisted mostly of people coming up with one crazy theory after another which very often contradicted known prime fiction. But in their defense, they properly were not aware of this prime fiction as a lot of it is hidden in mission descriptions and site descriptions within the game. Hence, I am trying to make that lore a bit more accessible through the Lorebook. CCP Dropbear picked up on the issue too and that is what A'J is all about; collecting all the pieces and sort them in a central register so people know where to look. And through that, convert our OOC knowledge to IC.
Still, A'J suffered some initial confusion about what its purpose was among its participants. Some thought it was some sort of power block, similarly to an alliance of corporations, rising and rushed to secure themselves positions in, what they thought, would be the directing and leading organs (the Ethical Committee and Security Divisions). Now those two divisions have gone nearly completely inactive.
Another issue is the people who thought that A'J would be a way to get verification to your personal theory from the Storyline team thereby skipping the work it requires to find the supporting prime fiction yourself. People failed to realize that the game was not about thinking up a research project and wait for others to provide the results, but to actually have an idea what the outcome of your project would be. One of the things I learned from my PhD was that you do not do a scientific project without some idea what the outcome will be. In other words, "if you donGÇÖt know what youGÇÖre looking for, youGÇÖll not find anything."
Of course, demanding that people have a PhD to do fictional science is a bit steep, but I think A'J has potential as long as people remembers to make it clear for themselves and others what their theory is based upon. And if that is Wikipedia alone we are not going to be good friends. AhemGǪ In general people should realize the power of using strong references for their arguments.
There is no final written CCP backstory to this, that is clear to me now. Instead I, and others, can take what it written so far and build upon it for, what the evidence suggests, would be the most likely outcome. Is the Jove Empire in recession? I say it is.
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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.01 20:15:00 -
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It is indeed a challenge and sadly many people find it very hard to put together a theory IC. It is just my wish they would try and it would be my pleasure to help finding supportive (and/or contradicting) PF material for their hypothesis, if they wish.
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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
156
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Posted - 2011.12.02 21:34:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:Aethlyn wrote:Look on the wikies, there are defined goals for (probably meant to be) ship modules and stuff link plz i'm in no way sifting through the Wiki pages of random not working or not there links.
I must remember you that the Arek'Jaalan Mission Statement explicitly states the project does little to dig into the applied side of science and certainly has not aims at providing new weaponry for starships. Dropbear (in the shape of Dr. Tukoss) has further commented that A'J is not about producing blueprints for new technologies.
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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.13 12:50:00 -
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While I agree with you, Aedeal, I think New Edens past is nearly as little written as its future.
Have you heard this podcast? It reveals a thing or two about the A'J process and how the EVE story is written.
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